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this man is retired lieutenant colonel

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Robert friend U.S Air Force and former

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head of Project Blue Book friend now I'm

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the management staff of celestial

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Industries Incorporated which bills and

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launches missiles for a defense testing

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purposes Trend now relates this most

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unusual experience

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1959 when I was invited to attend a

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briefing and security portion of this

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building

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it seems a retired rear Admiral had

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information about a woman in Upper Maine

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that purported to have established

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contact with extraterrestrial beings

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two Naval Intelligence Officers were

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sent to investigate

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the naval officers met with the woman

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and she went into a trance supposedly to

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establish contact with the purported

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extraterrestrials

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and then they asked her scientific and

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Technical questions that a woman of her

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education could not possibly know the

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answers to

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yet as the questions were put to her she

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was able to answer easily with seeming

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telepathic help from these recorded

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extraterrestrials

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according to the report she indicated

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there was an organization oeev which

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meant Universal Association of planets

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and that organization had a project

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uenza meaning Earth which was being

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conducted

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then an unexpected turn took place one

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of the naval officers was informed by

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the woman that they the

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extraterrestrials were willing to answer

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questions directly through him a naval

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commander and intelligence officer with

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no prior experience in telepathic

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communication

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he took over

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and attempted to write down the answers

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to questions put to him by his fellow

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naval officer questions were put to him

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such as do you favor the government

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religious group or race and would there

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be a third world war

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the answer to both was no

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the group then asked if they could see a

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spaceship

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and the commander still in a trance told

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him to go to the window and they would

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have proof

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the group moved to the window where they

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supposedly observed a UFO

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I was told that a call was made for

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radar confirmation

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the reply came back that that particular

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quadrant of the area was blanked out on

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radar at the time

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after being briefed on all of the

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details I asked the commander if he

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would attempt to contact me

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he sat for several minutes

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and then appeared in the Deep trance

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with his Adam's Apple moving up and down

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rapidly

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questions were put to him and he

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answered them by printing in rather

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large letters using rapid but jerky

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motions it wasn't at all like his

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natural hand

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during the course of the questioning we

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learned the names of some of the

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so-called extraterrestrials one was

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Krill

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c-r-l-l-l another Alama

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and another Alpha a f f a purportedly

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from the planet Uranus a case that just

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as well could have been written by a

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very imaginative science fiction writer

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but here in my hand is the actual

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account of the incident by one of the

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agents present at that time

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names of seven men present or listed

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here because of the unusual nature of

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the incident and at their request their

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names will remain confidential

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uh camera Graham We were chatting a bit

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about uh Francis Swann and the Betty

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Hill yeah connection it's a bizarre

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story yeah this is one of the more

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interesting stories and this has

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actually been documented uh so what

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happens is

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this sort of synchronicity where

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Betty Hill

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who is when the gray starts

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the the blondes the the humans all stop

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and about the time when video comes on

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and it's something everybody turns to

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Grace no one was talking about grace

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before no that's right and after Betty

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Hill there was really all the contactes

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from 1950s just sort of faded away I

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mean there's sort of like they never

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happened

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so I always said this there's a seemed

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to be this thing this connection between

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Francis Swann who is the last of the

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contacting things and the beginning of

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the grades with Betty Hill and then I

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discovered they lived like like down the

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street from each other people I wasn't

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down the street but it's pretty close

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you do a little bit of a background on

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Francis Swan

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yeah so Francis Juan was the main

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psychic that was being used by CIA

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Navy intelligence Canadian government

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everybody was in contact with this home

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because they everybody believed that

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this woman was in contact with something

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she had some information they could pull

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this information choose a clear point

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she was just a woman who suddenly

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started to channel she's she may have

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had some psychic stuff before but she

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just suddenly in 1953 had this encounter

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where she meets this guy and then

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suddenly this noise is in her inner ear

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she starts getting these messages from

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apparent owner who are flying these two

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big giant spacecrafts around the earth

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and just how it starts with her

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and so that's 1954 and then 61 Betty

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and I think she even had contact with

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the Smith so she's coming back

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and she gets abducted

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and she goes she's she lives like she

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lives in

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Francis Juan is an Elliott Maine and on

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Hilda so very close

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so when Betty got abducted then the

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story I heard was they went to nightcap

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and they told Kehoe keho said

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aliens are grabbing people off the road

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like get out of here he used to fight

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there was a story would fight with Smith

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I don't believe it you got this contact

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you talked to me this is all contact

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these are all folksar's is all garbage

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he was in a real nuts a bolts guy it was

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just like you know let's get this thing

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but they weren't making any contact and

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they definitely weren't abducting people

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so they didn't really want to deal with

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Betty Hill and so Admiral Knowles who

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was on The nightcap board as was Wilbur

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said oh I'll take you this is Francis

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Swan woman she's talking to Dallas I'll

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take you and uh you could talk to her

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she'll tell you what's going on what

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happened to you so they take her does it

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started they take they take uh Betty

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she starts telling their story and she

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mentions these these grades and they

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took me and Francis goes Grace

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Grace you were talking to Grace they're

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the evil ones and and so she basically

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didn't want to talk to her anymore just

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basically leave I'm not going to talk to

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this one so 54 and she just say that she

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had to leave the house she got really

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upset at Betty and she said she told

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Betty to get out of house wow because

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you're dealing with the evil ones I'll

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be dealing with the the gods are the the

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the the the the

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affa and his boys are the are from God

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and yours are demons well the same

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debate that's going on no your demons

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get out of here we're not right I'm not

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gonna talk to you

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and they hear about through Knowles this

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is an admiral in the Navy so he's

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pushing the story that this woman's got

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this contact

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so these two Navy intelligence guys go

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and visit her the the Espy is the head

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of native intelligence

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sends these two guys to go and talk to

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Francis Swan and Nelly so they've

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laughed out it and they talked to her

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and they say yeah it's got this weird

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thing she's doing this automatic writing

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and talking to these aliens and giving

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answers to questions and stuff like that

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and then not much happens until 1959 and

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then for some reason these Navy

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intelligence guys fly back to Maine

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apparently to get flight time for their

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for their flight license or something

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that was an excuse they used for going

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up there and it was that point when

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Francis Swann says these two guys are

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all interested do this channeling talk

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to you to ask him this time says well

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why don't I just show you how to do it

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like oh you can do that she said yeah

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sit down she puts her hand on his right

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shoulder and suddenly he's like his hand

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starts doing that automatic writing and

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he gets really excited I mean he's like

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holy cow I'm talking to this Alpha guy

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now so they go racing back from Elite

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Maine back to Washington DC

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and they go to the National photographic

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interpretation Center so this is one of

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the most top secret CI buildings in

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Washington this is where they analyze

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all the U2 all the SR-71 and all the spy

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photographs this is where they took it

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and it was a joke it was in the most

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rundown part of Washington above this

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car dealership and that all the poor

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people that lived around there thought

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that this is where they were printing

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money I think I was printing money

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because there was so much security

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around the building I think what's this

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scaring this this uh this car dealership

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thing for and they had this thing and

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that's why they hid it there the last

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place the Russians would look for this

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top secret building where they were

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analyzing all these all these films the

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guy that ran it was Arthur London so now

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you have Ron pandolfi who's now I think

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there's a guy after Ron Bend off they've

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actually seen the guy's photograph but

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there's a guy after Ron pandolf he met

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Rob pandolfi ran the weird desk he was

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hired by Kid green who ran the rear desk

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until 83 and before kid green around the

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weird desk was Arthur lundall so Arthur

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lundahl and we actually when dest and I

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were in Tucson his files were there the

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correspondence between

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um James MacDonald and Arthur lundell

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yeah because London was heavily into

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UFOs and he basically say the same thing

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they're saying no we don't know what's

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going on but it's a really interesting

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subject I don't have a lot of files too

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yeah but it was really like he had real

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hard handwriting little tiny handwriting

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it's very hard to read uh how many cases

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there's like 135k I mean he'd be there

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for months to try to go to a lot of

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stuff and so that's what we were doing

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when you're when you're doing you're

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trying to figure out like which files

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are we looking at and that's I got lucky

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with this with this metal thing we're

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just sort of looking at file boxes and

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and what's in the file box and trying to

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guess which one we should take because

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we're only there for a couple of hours

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and so Arthur lundahl ran the national

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photographic interpretation Center

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so these two guys the one worked for him

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CIA and navy Works cin Navy so he goes

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back he says are there are there she

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taught me how to do this channeling

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thing I'm talking to Zappa and he said

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hey okay great sit down let's talk to

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Alpha so they sit him down in the

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National photograph interpretation

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Center

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and he starts to do this channeling

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thing and art lundahl is running the

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whole thing he's running he's asking the

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questions and they have these uh CIA

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guys in there and he says you know this

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is actually the transcript

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um

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it's awesome like is there going to be a

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third world war is uh you know Roman

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Catholics the prime religion and all

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these weird questions they're asking and

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app is answering or whatever and then

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art londahl says

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we'd like some proof that that you're

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actually here for real and then Alpha

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this guy changes from automatic writing

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to voice

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he says what do you want

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all right someone else said we'd like to

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show yourself he said when

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now

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go to the window and so he'd go to the

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window and over top of the Capitol

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Flying Saucer in the middle of Neighbors

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playing by the window over top of the

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Capitol and then in 75 so I'm friends

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with Bob emanager who did the

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documentary UFO's past present future

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which was later done as UFOs it has

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begun right in 1979 and then in 1983

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they came back and said oh wait the

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government liked what you did in the

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1970s you'd like to do another

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documentary and they wanted valet and

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they wanted heinek to be involved and

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they didn't want to get involved so the

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whole thing fell apart they realized was

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going to be a scam they were going to

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get sucked into this thing and they

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would pull the film at the last minute

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because that was the whole Alderman Air

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Force Base film so lundall comes to

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heart to to Bob emanager and he says oh

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we got this uh story we'd like to put in

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you gotta remember like this story

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nobody knew the story about the

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channeling of this alien and and right

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at the national photographic

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interpretation Center and so uh emanager

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was actually in Washington he actually

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was in the building and

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um they said to already says well

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it's an interesting story I mean this

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you know channeling and stuff and they

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actually gave him a handwritten version

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of the memo that was written for it

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that was written by friend I think it

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was kind of confusing How It Was Written

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but it was a handwritten so it's not the

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actual document it's a handwritten 11

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page dog which we actually put in the

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book we put part of this three pages of

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this document in the book about this

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channeling thing because the whole 11

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pages would just take up a lot so anyway

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we put in three pages

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and then so uh Bob entering your system

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well so you're gonna go on camera and

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tell us the story he says no I can't go

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on camera said well you guys tell a

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story you can go on camera and say Bob I

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can't go on camera well why can't you go

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on camera I'm on duty still CA still he

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was the guy that briefed Kennedy he's

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the guy that went in yeah I love London

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when Kennedy did the the the you the

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whole thing with the Cuban Missile

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Crisis they had the guy came in with the

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photographs that showed the launch tubes

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and the the stuff in Cuba and stuff it's

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all YouTube photographs it was Orlando

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who did the briefing of the president so

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he was this high level guy he said now I

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can't hold a camera so in UFO's past

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versus the future they have Robert

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friend who is the head of blue book at

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the time and Robert friend goes in and

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uh tells this whole story and he's

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standing in the room and he goes and

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points to the window and you can

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actually see the window and you can see

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the capital in the background so they

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did this challenge thing and then so I'm

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talking to Francis Swan there's a story

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came up there was a magazine came out in

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the 1980s that seemed to be one of these

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things where you sort of question the

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guys that were writing the articles is

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this the government running this

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magazine it was really sort of high-end

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magazine it was like weird stories but

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like a lot of back ground stuff where

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you're thinking man these this these

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people know something and the one was

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about Francis Juan and it was this

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article was done about her and about

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Larson I think the game there was Larson

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was the guy they sat down and learned to

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channel and the story was that that he'd

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come back oh I know this is her and he

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had said I can't get rid of them they're

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in my dreams they're bugging me and was

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this the guy who had the nde no no no

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this is this is a guy that was showing

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how to train he was the guy who was in

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the channeling thing at the CIA but they

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had this thing had followed him and it

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was Haunting him and she said I told you

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I told you not to deal with them I told

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you and he and her she her version was

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that he was dealing with the Grays and I

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warned you you would listen to me and

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you went on your own and now you're

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coming to me to get rid of them and

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stuff like this and this is this whole

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deal this this story it goes into the

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1980s of this guy being haunted by this

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by these beings that that had almost

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like The Hitchhiker thing they're

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talking about now is he was trying to

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get rid of him and I don't know what she

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did for him but she would you know when

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I corresponded with her she really

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couldn't write I mean she had no

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education at all you reached out to her

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and you talked to her yeah I said I'd

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send her these letters we did the

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handwriting at the time and she would

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just put something in the margin and

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sometimes I couldn't figure she said

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read your Bible and uh the God is a good

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one and oh

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mentioned working with a guy named

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Gottlieb no no she didn't volunteer

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anything she just answered my questions

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it was very very sort of brief

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um because she was like a woman that was

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um

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was not a high profile and nobody really

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knew about her like the government was

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dealing with her quite a bit and she

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would write the correspondent with the

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Smiths I don't know what happened to a

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lot of that correspondence but uh Kathy

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Martin has talked about her that Kathy

448
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Martin contacted her daughter and

449
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recovered some of the material from the

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daughter and there's actually some

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transcripts that we made yet we've got

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the actual transcripts from 1954 so uh

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um

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if we can get them in a PDF form and

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they're said to me

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uh I think Eric gave us uh yeah Eric

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Davis provided them to me and their

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actual transcripts of her channelings in

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1954 when the whole thing started so

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um before she was channeling 50. oh yeah

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because it started in the end of 53 and

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it was before so Knowles is the neighbor

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and so Knowles and his wife go in there

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and they're transcribing and they're all

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just blown away by this woman getting

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all these messages so we've got I'd say

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100 pages so we may put that in like a

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book type thing where we just get a PDFs

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and put them in there and you can read

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them some of it's pretty goofy I mean

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it's a lot of religious stuff and some

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of it seems pretty pretty wild stuff but

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but it is the actual transcription 1954.

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so there's all these weird things going

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on behind it and the interesting thing

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was that Navy intelligence I like they

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said in in the FBI they talked about

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Navy intelligence file so I actually

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followed the foa to get Francis one's

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Navy and navy intelligence file and what

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you see now is if you look at and stuff

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so it's all Navy and the question is in

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Bob Lazar said it was all Navy and when

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I asked the Smith people I said who is

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always trying to find out who was Smith

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talking to in the United States who's

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getting this material from and then they

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said everything was Navy he was talking

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to these Navy people and that the whole

490
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idea behind that that I I'm just

491
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guessing but when the UFO thing starts

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in 1947 there was no U.S Air Force

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there's just the Navy so the Navy's got

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all the research money

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that for and has his own at their own

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Air Force they have everything and so

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when the UFO thing starts and Roswell

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happens or whatever then the Air Force

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comes along and says oh we're going to

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take over the UFOs no you're not we got

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00:18:03,049 --> 00:18:01,020
the research money we're in charge of

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this so it's always this idea that the

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Navy actually may be the ones that are

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running the show and that's where so you

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have uh the swan thing you have again

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this Navy intelligence who's very

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interested in her and they had a file on

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her and of course when I said no now we

509
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got no file and I don't know anything

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about this and then what are you going

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to do unless you get a lawyer and you

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take them to court or whatever but there

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was a lot of um a lot of people that um

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in the background where you saw this

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stuff going on but nobody really

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recorded it it was sort of lost and and

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everybody was hiding the same as now

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like in Inner Circle people were all

519
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sort of hiding they didn't want to be

520
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known who they were or whatever and I

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sort of tracked these guys down

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so everyone from Wilbert Smith all the

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way up to um

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London

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we're all looking into this lady Frances

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one yeah over what what time spent

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54 was these that's when it all started

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when navy intelligence got involved with

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her through Admiral Knowles where he

530
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sent the letter to the president and the

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FBI files are 54. then at 59 was this

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thing and the other the other part of

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the story tanned it is

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when they do the channeling thing

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um is 59 it's July of 59.

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lundall's blown away by this he's just

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like wow that's just cool so he top

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secret he calls Fred who's had a blue

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book at the time at Ray Patterson he did

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come to Washington right now

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something we've got something to show

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you so he goes through he flies to

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Washington and this is two days later

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and they take him in and they explain

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the whole thing and they sit this guy

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down they said we're talking this alien

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here or whatever and

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um the guy starts he goes into trance

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00:19:56,150 --> 00:19:54,960
again and Alpha comes on and then they

550
00:19:57,890 --> 00:19:56,160
go through the whole thing and then they

551
00:20:00,710 --> 00:19:57,900
say we'd like to show yourself

552
00:20:04,070 --> 00:20:00,720
and he said no he said the time is not

553
00:20:06,650 --> 00:20:04,080
right or something like that and then so

554
00:20:08,870 --> 00:20:06,660
in the memo that we put in the book it

555
00:20:10,730 --> 00:20:08,880
has the actual FBI CIA guys names

556
00:20:12,890 --> 00:20:10,740
there's about seven CIA people they

557
00:20:14,390 --> 00:20:12,900
actually name them who they are they're

558
00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:14,400
in this one they're in this meeting the

559
00:20:19,730 --> 00:20:15,360
second meeting

560
00:20:21,230 --> 00:20:19,740
transcript of a memo as to what happened

561
00:20:22,970 --> 00:20:21,240
in meeting number one where the thing

562
00:20:25,430 --> 00:20:22,980
flies by the window so meeting number

563
00:20:27,289 --> 00:20:25,440
two friend is in there and friend hand

564
00:20:28,669 --> 00:20:27,299
writes this thing or somebody handwrites

565
00:20:30,470 --> 00:20:28,679
this thing and it has the whole thing

566
00:20:32,810 --> 00:20:30,480
it's 11 pages it describes exactly what

567
00:20:35,090 --> 00:20:32,820
happened two days before things flying

568
00:20:37,250 --> 00:20:35,100
by the window who and and in this

569
00:20:39,350 --> 00:20:37,260
meeting friend is there and all these

570
00:20:41,330 --> 00:20:39,360
CIA guys are in the room and they're all

571
00:20:42,590 --> 00:20:41,340
talking with Lund dolls in the room

572
00:20:43,970 --> 00:20:42,600
and they're discussing what's happened

573
00:20:45,830 --> 00:20:43,980
and they put this guy in trance and

574
00:20:47,150 --> 00:20:45,840
apple won't shop he said no time's not

575
00:20:48,710 --> 00:20:47,160
right

576
00:20:50,150 --> 00:20:48,720
so friend goes back to write Patterson

577
00:20:51,409 --> 00:20:50,160
Air Force Base and we actually have the

578
00:20:53,029 --> 00:20:51,419
general I think we talked about in the

579
00:20:55,850 --> 00:20:53,039
book he goes to the generals Commanding

580
00:20:57,710 --> 00:20:55,860
General and he said this was amazing he

581
00:20:59,630 --> 00:20:57,720
said this is the most amazing thing I've

582
00:21:01,549 --> 00:20:59,640
ever seen in Blue Book he said the guys

583
00:21:03,169 --> 00:21:01,559
Adam's Apple was moving up and down he

584
00:21:05,210 --> 00:21:03,179
said something was going on here this

585
00:21:07,789 --> 00:21:05,220
guy was the guy was in something and the

586
00:21:08,990 --> 00:21:07,799
general says to him another agency has